Comments on: The worst reason for not hiring someone? http://ericbrown.com/the-worst-reason-for-not-hiring-someone.htm Technology, Strategy, People and Projects Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:27:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Eric D. Brown http://ericbrown.com/the-worst-reason-for-not-hiring-someone.htm/comment-page-1#comment-699 Eric D. Brown Wed, 27 Aug 2008 02:36:20 +0000 http://ericbrown.com/?p=540#comment-699 @<a href="#comment-601" rel="nofollow">Gary Drumm</a>: Great story Gary. I've been in situations like that before as well. Another interesting story: I was part of a team trying to hire for a Director of Professional Services role. This role was a line manager (manage people) and engagement manager (manage projects and clients) so the person needed to be personable, intelligent, a good communicator and have good leadership skills. The hiring team consisted of 5 people: 1 Vice President (the hiring manager) and 4 Directors (the peers). We interviewed about 10 candidates and there was one standout. She had all of the skills we thought fit...all 4 Directors liked her but the VP didn't. The VP didn't think she was 'the right fit' and decided to hire the one candidate that none of the Directors thought was right. After 3 months, that candidate quit....and we went back to the original candidate to offer her the job. She turned us down. Everyone sees someone differently...their perception may not be yours and this perception factor is highlighted during interviewing/hiring processes. Sometimes we make the right decisions...sometimes not. @Gary Drumm:

Great story Gary. I’ve been in situations like that before as well.

Another interesting story:

I was part of a team trying to hire for a Director of Professional Services role. This role was a line manager (manage people) and engagement manager (manage projects and clients) so the person needed to be personable, intelligent, a good communicator and have good leadership skills.

The hiring team consisted of 5 people: 1 Vice President (the hiring manager) and 4 Directors (the peers). We interviewed about 10 candidates and there was one standout. She had all of the skills we thought fit…all 4 Directors liked her but the VP didn’t. The VP didn’t think she was ‘the right fit’ and decided to hire the one candidate that none of the Directors thought was right.

After 3 months, that candidate quit….and we went back to the original candidate to offer her the job. She turned us down.

Everyone sees someone differently…their perception may not be yours and this perception factor is highlighted during interviewing/hiring processes. Sometimes we make the right decisions…sometimes not.

]]> By: Gary Drumm http://ericbrown.com/the-worst-reason-for-not-hiring-someone.htm/comment-page-1#comment-698 Gary Drumm Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:19:58 +0000 http://ericbrown.com/?p=540#comment-698 Eric, Great post! I have often thought about the impression that I give to hiring managers. Do I come off too cocky/arrogant? Do I come off looking like I don't know how to do what they want me to do? Would I be a good fit for this particular company? I'm reminded of one position I interviewed for a couple of years ago. It was for an Infrastructure Project Manager. I politely listened to hiring manager drone on and on and on for an hour and a half. I think I got an opportunity to speak for maybe 5 minutes during the entire session. We said our goodbyes and that was it. Two days later I heard from the recruiter who told me that the hiring manager said I "wasn't the right fit" for the job. Huh? Wasn't the right fit? How could he possibly know if I was the right fit or not, I barely got to say anything?! In the end I came to the conclusion that the guy was probably right. If his "skill" for evaluating candidates was partly based 0n his blathering on and on and barely giving the candidate the opprtunity to even speak, then he was most likely the kind of manager that I would not have gotten along with very well anyway. Just count yourself lucky. You got out of a potentially bad situation before you ever got completely in. :) <abbr><em>Gary Drumm's last blog post at http://www.garydrumm.com is: <a href="http://garydrumm.blogspot.com/2008/08/hey-gary-you-just-passed-your-pmp-what.html" rel="nofollow">Hey Gary, You Just Passed Your PMP, What Are You Gonna Do Now?</a></em></abbr> Eric,

Great post! I have often thought about the impression that I give to hiring managers. Do I come off too cocky/arrogant? Do I come off looking like I don’t know how to do what they want me to do? Would I be a good fit for this particular company?

I’m reminded of one position I interviewed for a couple of years ago. It was for an Infrastructure Project Manager. I politely listened to hiring manager drone on and on and on for an hour and a half. I think I got an opportunity to speak for maybe 5 minutes during the entire session. We said our goodbyes and that was it.

Two days later I heard from the recruiter who told me that the hiring manager said I “wasn’t the right fit” for the job. Huh? Wasn’t the right fit? How could he possibly know if I was the right fit or not, I barely got to say anything?!

In the end I came to the conclusion that the guy was probably right. If his “skill” for evaluating candidates was partly based 0n his blathering on and on and barely giving the candidate the opprtunity to even speak, then he was most likely the kind of manager that I would not have gotten along with very well anyway.

Just count yourself lucky. You got out of a potentially bad situation before you ever got completely in.
:)

Gary Drumm’s last blog post at http://www.garydrumm.com is: Hey Gary, You Just Passed Your PMP, What Are You Gonna Do Now?

]]> By: Eric D. Brown http://ericbrown.com/the-worst-reason-for-not-hiring-someone.htm/comment-page-1#comment-697 Eric D. Brown Thu, 21 Aug 2008 18:40:31 +0000 http://ericbrown.com/?p=540#comment-697 Thanks Andy....I do feel better :) Thanks Andy….I do feel better :)

]]> By: Andrew Meyer http://ericbrown.com/the-worst-reason-for-not-hiring-someone.htm/comment-page-1#comment-696 Andrew Meyer Thu, 21 Aug 2008 18:39:05 +0000 http://ericbrown.com/?p=540#comment-696 Eric, I'll pass on some very good advice someone once gave me. Ok, it was about dating, and I've never really found comfort in it myself, and I'm not talking to the person who gave it to me anymore because they later dumped me, but it is really good advice. If someone comes up with such a silly and petty reason for walking away, you didn't really want to be associated with them anyways. Now, don't you feel better? Andy - who by the way is still single... Eric,

I’ll pass on some very good advice someone once gave me.

Ok, it was about dating, and I’ve never really found comfort in it myself, and I’m not talking to the person who gave it to me anymore because they later dumped me, but it is really good advice.

If someone comes up with such a silly and petty reason for walking away, you didn’t really want to be associated with them anyways.

Now, don’t you feel better?

Andy – who by the way is still single…

]]> By: Eric D. Brown http://ericbrown.com/the-worst-reason-for-not-hiring-someone.htm/comment-page-1#comment-695 Eric D. Brown Thu, 21 Aug 2008 15:16:35 +0000 http://ericbrown.com/?p=540#comment-695 Hi Jason - Thanks for the comment. I do appreciate feedback and will take your feedback into consideration. Hi Jason – Thanks for the comment. I do appreciate feedback and will take your feedback into consideration.

]]> By: Jason M. Beauford http://ericbrown.com/the-worst-reason-for-not-hiring-someone.htm/comment-page-1#comment-694 Jason M. Beauford Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:15:02 +0000 http://ericbrown.com/?p=540#comment-694 My mistake, I do follow your blog. =) My mistake, I do follow your blog. =)

]]> By: Jason M. Beauford http://ericbrown.com/the-worst-reason-for-not-hiring-someone.htm/comment-page-1#comment-693 Jason M. Beauford Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:12:30 +0000 http://ericbrown.com/?p=540#comment-693 I agree that perhaps the hiring manager made a quick decision. However, because you were a candidate for a leadership position, I do understand the necessity for being dynamic. You say that you are an engaging speaker and I believe you. While you may be able to grasp and maintain the attention of an audience, I think as a leader you need to be versatile. You need to be able to switch gears, think outside the box and make decisions (based on the information you have) quickly. As a leader, you must strive for excellence, work with teams and employees with varying skill levels. You need to do more than just engage. You need to follow through. You need to go the distance and be agile while doing so. Not that you're not doing that, but may need to work on portraying those qualities. It sounds like you know that you're good at what you do, but for some reason the hiring manager doesn't know it. Whether or not you're dynamic or engaging, you still failed at conveying the message to your hiring manager, perhaps your audience at the conference? You mentioned you like feedback and I think this hiring manager may have given you something of value here. Learn from it, expose your weakness, then work on developing that into a strength. Check out www.jimcollins.com for information about great leadership. I found it very insightful. Please don't take this as a personal attack. I don't know anything about you, nor do I follow your blog. I happen to come across this and I wanted to offer my opinion to your question of "WTF?". I wish you the best of luck in your endeavors. Kind Regards, JMB I agree that perhaps the hiring manager made a quick decision. However, because you were a candidate for a leadership position, I do understand the necessity for being dynamic. You say that you are an engaging speaker and I believe you. While you may be able to grasp and maintain the attention of an audience, I think as a leader you need to be versatile. You need to be able to switch gears, think outside the box and make decisions (based on the information you have) quickly. As a leader, you must strive for excellence, work with teams and employees with varying skill levels. You need to do more than just engage. You need to follow through. You need to go the distance and be agile while doing so. Not that you’re not doing that, but may need to work on portraying those qualities. It sounds like you know that you’re good at what you do, but for some reason the hiring manager doesn’t know it. Whether or not you’re dynamic or engaging, you still failed at conveying the message to your hiring manager, perhaps your audience at the conference? You mentioned you like feedback and I think this hiring manager may have given you something of value here. Learn from it, expose your weakness, then work on developing that into a strength.

Check out http://www.jimcollins.com for information about great leadership. I found it very insightful.

Please don’t take this as a personal attack. I don’t know anything about you, nor do I follow your blog. I happen to come across this and I wanted to offer my opinion to your question of “WTF?”.

I wish you the best of luck in your endeavors.

Kind Regards,

JMB

]]> By: Eric D. Brown http://ericbrown.com/the-worst-reason-for-not-hiring-someone.htm/comment-page-1#comment-692 Eric D. Brown Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:12:07 +0000 http://ericbrown.com/?p=540#comment-692 Hi Scot - Thanks for the comment. I'm perfectly happy not working for that organization if they have that type of criteria for hiring. Me and narrow-mindedness don't get along well :) Hi Scot – Thanks for the comment.

I’m perfectly happy not working for that organization if they have that type of criteria for hiring. Me and narrow-mindedness don’t get along well :)

]]> By: Scot Herrick http://ericbrown.com/the-worst-reason-for-not-hiring-someone.htm/comment-page-1#comment-691 Scot Herrick Thu, 21 Aug 2008 04:05:37 +0000 http://ericbrown.com/?p=540#comment-691 I once was in an interview where the hiring manager asked me why I left my last position. I said that the company was bought out, my new manager didn't want me talking to his manager without speaking to my new manager first. That's understandable except my new manager was 2,0o0 miles away and my manager's manager was 20-feet from my office. For that, my inside person told me later, I was labeled as a negative person who spoke poorly about management and that person didn't want a negative person on their team. It was the only possible negative comment I made in almost six hours of interviews. I concluded two things: one, I would never say anything negative about previous employment. Two, I was fortunate to not work for that potential hiring manager. He was obviously too narrow-minded, would not have liked bad news, and wouldn't be able to see talent if it was sitting three feet away from him. Eric, you get number two. People who are so poor at judging talent don't deserve the talent. Consider yourself lucky you won't have to work for such narrow-minded people. I once was in an interview where the hiring manager asked me why I left my last position. I said that the company was bought out, my new manager didn’t want me talking to his manager without speaking to my new manager first. That’s understandable except my new manager was 2,0o0 miles away and my manager’s manager was 20-feet from my office.

For that, my inside person told me later, I was labeled as a negative person who spoke poorly about management and that person didn’t want a negative person on their team. It was the only possible negative comment I made in almost six hours of interviews.

I concluded two things: one, I would never say anything negative about previous employment.

Two, I was fortunate to not work for that potential hiring manager. He was obviously too narrow-minded, would not have liked bad news, and wouldn’t be able to see talent if it was sitting three feet away from him.

Eric, you get number two. People who are so poor at judging talent don’t deserve the talent. Consider yourself lucky you won’t have to work for such narrow-minded people.

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